and the soviet union were not by any stretch of the imagination. and frankly, you know, if the -- if the policy is currently set by the administration that somehow a containment policy is a terrible containment policy, right? it's not -- it doesn't look like a containment policy at all, and china needs to understand this. so i think more dialogue, more discussion between the two sides and elevating the level of the dialogue, i think, is useful in that what it does is, is creates greater buy-in in both systems for working together cooperatively going forward. and that's going to be the challenge. >> well, thank you all very much, and on behalf of the schieffer school of journalism and tcu, we thank you for coming. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >>